The Player Skill Evaluation


I.  Introduction and Historical Literature Review
               Footballer’s Skill in this context is the prime individual playing proficiency in specific role or position. Skill is the unique ability aspect that is developed through training and experience. Moreover, skill is an internal intangible resource that players utilize in application under the game situation and circumstance to achieve great performance.
             Pesdatabase[1] is a well-known players’ skill evaluation website that allows its administrators and free members to create players or legends skill profile in their specialization. However, the criteria standard of evaluation is largely different between personal perspectives and the sampling of skill measurement is unclear.         
             Footballermanager[2] is a famous football software game that evaluate skills of current players by its professional team. Its original version was created in 1992. As the games have been creating in purpose to represent the skill of players in specific year and its evaluation system has been developing, the criteria between years is non-standardized.  
            Accordingly, this research work is aimed to rate football legends skill by standardizing the perspective criteria of legends skill evaluation through the history of football by visual measurement from video sampling or analyzing paper in two main parts : Total skill and Specialized skill.

II. Methodology
    Measurement of Skill Attribute
  It is measured in both qualitative and quantitative visual inspection by perspective of one evaluator in scales (0 - 10 in two decimal).


1. Total Skill

   1.1) Watch video mainly from footballia source[3] and rate every related skill by approximate visual inspection and input score of each skill capture onto skill data format. The number of full-matches or highlights for each player will also be specified in the format.  
        1.1.1) Full-Matches
               - Pre-1954  : Video Highlight
          - 1954 - 1993 : Full match of historical games and some Video Highlights during the 1950s and the 1st half 1960s. The number of matches is 222 in total as following competitions ;
                   International Country : 145 Matches
                   International Club : 70 Matches
                   Domestic : 7 Matches  
             - 1994 onwards : Author Tacit Knowledge : This is the period that author watched important football matches regularly.
         1.1.2) Goals Highlight in international matches for all periods  
         1.1.3) The legends who is unavailable in full-matches video are mutually considered with paper analysis.

  
  1.2) The criteria formula in format will calculate total skill and rank top 50 most skillful players in by 9 positional category. The weight percentage criteria to calculate total skill of players is designated by value analysis in each position provided in scorecard table. Value Analysis is a consideration of importance level of skill to specific role. 
    
Skill Aspect
Abv.
Definition
Shooting
SHT
Ground shooting combined between accuracy, weight and technique
Aerial
ARL
Aerial shooting combined between jumping, heading, volleying or overhead kick
Scoring
SCR
The ability of ground and aerial shooting
Passing
PAS
Passing accuracy, tempo and curve
Creativity
CRT
The imagination of playing such as coordination method
Vision to pass the ball for attackers
Assisting
AST
The vision and expectable passing for striker 
Dribble
DRB
Dribbling accuracy and agility of footage
Technique
TECH
The technique of ball controlling or touching ball
Agility
AGL
The agility of body movement
Speed
SPD
Speed without the ball and acceleration with the ball for attackers
Stamina
STM
The tenacity of body
Strength
STR
BB 
The body balance and body ability to resist the impact
Position
POS
The off the ball standing or movement
Tackling
TCK
The
Reading
RDG
The anticipation and interception
Handling
HND
The ability to catch the ball with the hand
Reflexs
RFX
The reaction to save the ball
Ball Opening
BO
The goal kicking or opening ball by hand
Jumping
JMP
Goalkeeper Ability to reach the ball includes height and jumping. 
                              

2. Specialized Skill

      2.1) From the total skill, list top potential players candidates 
    2.2) Calculated skill function score by combining skill attribute weight criteria as below chart. (Weight Criteria is showed in result table) 



IV. Result & Statistics

1. Total Skill  


   SP means Sampling : Number is the watched full-matches
                            H is Video Highlight, P is Paper Analysis 


                                                    I : Striker





                                                   II : Forward





                                        III : Advanced Midfielder



                                              IV : Playmaker 







                                                   V : Winger



                                      VI : Defensive Midfielder





                                        VII : Central Defender 







                                       VII : Defensive Lateral



                                               IX : Goalkeeper




2. Specialized Skill

Shot Saving
Rank
Name
Total


100
1
Yashin
9.47
2
Schemichel
9.37
3
Zamora
9.30
4
Buffon
9.30
5
Beara
9.28
Pass Saving
Rank
Name
Total


100
1
Yashin
9.42
2
Buffon
9.40
3
Zoff
9.40
4
Shilton
9.20
5
Mazurkiewicz
9.20
Defence
Rank
Name
Total


100
1
Figueroa
9.23
2
Baresi
9.20
3
Moore
9.20
4
Maldini
9.14
5
Nesta
9.13
6
Scirea
9.11
7
Passarerlla
9.00
8
Kohler
8.93
9
Bergomi
8.91
10
Chumpitaz
8.91
Destroying
Rank
Name
Total
Defence
Agility
Stamina


100
60
20
20
1
Makelele
9.05
8.7
8.75
9.7
2
Matthaeus
9.02
8.6
8.6
9.85
3
Keane
8.80
8.7
8.2
9.5
4
Essien
8.78
8.55
8.3
9.5
5
Mackay
8.77
8.8
8
9.5
6
Rijkaard
8.73
8.8
8.1
9.3
7
Robson
8.73
8.75
8.1
9.35
8
Monti
8.73
8.8
8.2
9.2
9
O.Varela
8.63
8.8
7.8
9.3
10
M.Silva
8.57
8.7
7.8
9.2
Dribbling
Rank
Name
Total
Agility
Accuracy
Technique


100
33.3
33.3
33.3
1
Garrincha
10
10
10
10
2
Maradona
9.90
9.9
9.8
10
3
Cruyff
9.87
10
9.85
9.75
4
Ronaldo
9.87
9.85
9.75
10
5
Sivori
9.85
10
9.85
9.7
6
Best
9.85
9.8
9.75
10
7
Zico
9.85
9.8
9.75
10
8
Messi
9.70
9.8
9.6
9.7
9
Ronaldinho
9.70
9.7
9.4
10
10
Sindelar
9.67
9.5
9.75
9.75
Passing
Rank
Name
Total
Accuracy
Vision
Technique


100
40
40
20
1
Platini
9.85
9.85
9.85
9.85
2
Didi
9.73
9.7
9.7
9.85
3
Maradona
9.68
9.65
9.7
9.7
4
Xavi
9.67
9.5
9.8
9.75
5
Netzer
9.65
9.8
9.5
9.65
6
Liedholm
9.58
9.75
9.5
9.4
7
Zidane
9.58
9.6
9.6
9.5
8
Guardiola
9.58
9.7
9.5
9.5
9
Haynes
9.52
9.7
9.4
9.4
10
Pirlo
9.52
9.6
9.4
9.6
Crossing
Rank
Name
Total
Accuracy
Vision
Technique


100
40
40
20
1
Beckham
9.84
10
9.6
10
2
Dzajic
9.52
9.7
9.3
9.6
3
Brehme
9.52
9.7
9.4
9.4
4
Matthews
9.32
9.5
9.4
8.8
5
Arce
9.24
9.4
9
9.4
Shooting
Rank
Name
Total
Accuracy
Weight
Technique


100
50
35
15
1
Puskas
9.84
10
9.6
9.85
2
Batistuta
9.72
9.85
9.85
9.2
3
Pele
9.66
9.7
9.7
9.5
4
Eusebio
9.61
9.6
9.8
9.35
5
Shearer
9.44
9.5
9.5
9.2
6
Muller
9.40
9.7
8.8
9.55
7
Kostic
9.38
9.2
9.75
9
8
C.Ronaldo
9.38
9.3
9.5
9.4
9
Nordahl
9.30
9.3
9.3
9.3
10
Hasselbenk
9.30
9.4
9.35
9
9.06
9.4
8.6
9.3
Aerial Scoring
Rank
Name
Total
Height
Jumping
Heading


100
15
15
70
1
Bierhoff
9.72
9.50
8.6
10
2
Kocsis
9.65
8.80
9.3
9.9
3
Hrubesch
9.64
9.35
9.2
9.8
4
Dean
9.53
8.85
9.4
9.7
5
Spencer
9.51
8.90
9.2
9.7
6
Klose
9.50
9.05
9.5
9.6
7
Riedle
9.43
8.80
9.7
9.5
8
Aguas
9.43
9.10
9.4
9.5
9
R.Falcao
9.40
8.85
9.5
9.5
10
Charles
9.31
9.35
8.4
9.5
Free-Kick Specialist
Rank
Name
Total
Accuracy
Power
Technique


100
50
30
20
1
Mihajlovic
9.64
9.7
9.7
9.4
2
Zico
9.44
9.85
8.5
9.8
3
Rivelino
9.44
9.3
9.5
9.7
4
Koeman
9.40
9.5
9.7
8.7
5
Juninho
9.38
9.7
8.9
9.3
6
Recoba
9.38
9.4
9.2
9.6
7
Beckham
9.37
9.6
8.7
9.8
8
Rivaldo
9.27
9.3
9.2
9.3
9
Maradona
9.21
9.6
8.3
9.6
10
Platini
9.21
9.6
8.3
9.6

Riquelme
9.20
9.4
8.6
9.6
Rapidity
Rank
Name
Total
Top Speed
Accel


100
30
70
1
Gento
9.88
9.6
10
2
Ronaldo
9.85
9.5
10
3
Owen
9.63
9.7
9.6
4
Walcott
9.63
9.7
9.6
5
Overmars
9.60
9.6
9.6
6
C.Ronaldo
9.54
9.4
9.6
7
Caniggia
9.52
9.8
9.4
8
Blokhin
9.5
9.5
9.5
9
Bican
9.49
9.7
9.4
10
Henry
9.46
9.7
9.35
Strongest
Rank
Name
Total
Strength
Stamina


100
30
70
1
Matthaus
9.38
8.9
9.85
2
Edwards
9.35
9.8
8.9
3
Rijkaard
9.33
9.4
9.25
4
Mackay
9.30
9.2
9.4
5
Desailly
9.25
9.5
9
6
M.Silva
9.25
9.2
9.3
7
O.Varela
9.20
9.1
9.3
8
Essien
9.18
8.85
9.5
9
Kohler
9.15
9.4
8.9
10
Vieira
9.15
9
9.3

V. Discussion
    The skill measurement system support to identify players' skill characteristic at players' prime performance in specific positions by 9 categories. Each of player skill could reach the prime in different period, so the skill rating is not limited to specific period of prime. The skill rating is also an important role on analyzing players performance. Most sampling of videos are full-most competitive international matches in order to obtain mutual similar standard against skill level. The accuracy and uncertainty of skill evaluation is depended on number and level of samplings, particularly many players in the pre-1950s are no evidence of footage and is just rated based on article analysis in which the subjectivity is inevitable. Importantly, the weight from value analysis is a key factor to determine player total skill. Finally the result of evaluation is applied to the performance evaluation and help to increase the objectivity in overall rating significantly.
    In Goalkeeper position, Lev Yashin is unanimously the most skillful goalkeeper ever. A lthough he is rated as the most skillful keeping ever in only one aspect, reflex, but he is among one of the most skillful in other aspects. In side-back position, Paolo Maldini is the most skillful player in this position in a high distance to below ranking. He is rated as the best ever in defensive skill of side-back while R.Carlos is best ever at offensive skill. Beckenbauer is number one in central defender skill when he is also rated as the best ever at offensive skill for central defender. The most skillful players in defense are Baresi, Moore and Figueroa whose rating are in similar level. In defensive midfielder position, Lothar Matthaus, Duncan Edwards, Frank Rijkaard and Dave Mackay are the best destroyers ever. Beckenbauer in defensive midfield position is rated as the best ever at offensive skill. Garrincha is also the most skillful winger ever by large margin. The most skillful playmaker ever is belonged to Zidane. In advanced midfielder list, Maradona is unsurprisingly the best ever, is significantly better than Cruyff. Between Messi and Pele is unjustifiable who is the most skillful forward of all-time. Luis Nazario Ronaldo is the most skilfull striker ever.

Reference
[1]https://pesstatsdatabase.com
[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Manager
[3] www.footballia.com

62 comments:

  1. Why Stanley Matthews is above George Best in this ranking?

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    1. Skill is only player’s potential. Top Performance will be reached when required skills are fulfilled its high potential coincidently. Matthews’s potential was rated insignificantly superior to George Best (could be equal) but Matthews never reached each of his best skill simultaneously. (details as below in priority of importance).
      1) Creator-Crosser-Team Work : Matthews >> George Best
      2) Dribble : George Best > Matthews
      3) Speed, Agility : George Best > Matthews
      4) Scoring : George Best >> Matthews
      Matthews is superior to George Best in only one major role which is given highest proportion. As I reviews in equal players result of comparison, I add new condition that players which has a more number of better skills will be advantageous. Thanks again for originating great point of improvement.

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    2. Thanks for answering my question! This blog gets better every day!

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  2. Why Ronaldo is listed as forward? Wasn't he a striker?

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    1. That is very good question. It could be seen the positional ranking of total skill is categorized in more number than any other list but there are still equal number of attacker categorizations to the 10 x 100 ranking list. Even so, I set different criteria of categorization base on objective. For total skill ranking, Ronaldo is too much different from poacher in penalty box so his skill would not best fit to striker position in definitive skill. However, the 10 x 100 ranking list definite in wider range of striker as a main scorer role.

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    2. Why isn't he in the winger category? also, I don't understand what the BM category means since Im guessing PM stands for plam maker.

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    3. Whom are you refer should have been in winger list ?
      I have revised category name to easier understanding. DM means destroyer by which very high proportional criteria in defensive quality. CM give more weight in offensive skill. The first box is included both DM and CM list.

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  3. think ribery is nor better than robben. robben has also the better goal and assist average than ribery. robben was only injured a lot, but his potential is higher than ribery's

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    1. Ribery is just slower than Robben but is by far a better creator and crosser.

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  4. hello naratorn wirunhchatapant! i want to ask you can you find me the best possible for a system 3-3-3-1? if you want extra details about the position that i want tell me to explain to you.
    you are the man. only you know

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    1. Do you mean my Best XI of 3-3-3-1 system ?

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    2. yes i care about balance also, not only names. people who play the position for this system perfectly.

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    3. Pele
      Cruyff Maradona Messi
      Zidane Beckenbauer Matthaus
      Maldini Baresi Figueroa
      Yashin

      The 3-3-3-1 formation requires the great semi-side players in all three functional lines. Figueroa is not a semi-side defender in his historical playing but he would be most fit to this role for me even tougher than Thuram, thanks to his great speed. In midfield line, central midfielder should be a deep-lying defensive midfielder as he need to help defensive line very much and at the same times he must be a good creator of the game so I’d not hesitate to go for Beckenbauer. For left-midfielder in this formation, I’d say left-half is most similar to this position and Duncan Edwards is arguably the best left-half ever in hi peak. Anyway, I need to go for Zidane because it would be too defensive when I already choose Matthaus as right-midfielder.


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  5. I want to help you. You can consult this 3 pages as a reference:
    http://www.pesmitidelcalcio.com/
    http://pesstatsfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
    http://habilidadespesefifa.blogspot.com.ar/

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    1. Thanks, I've ever discussed with their Pesmit administrators. Now it's time for me to make my own research.

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  6. Oh I forgot this page: http://www.pesmaster.com/ (official Konami stats)

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  7. When will you complete this list? Before the world cup?

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    1. Thanks for asking. Now I have been watching all related highlight videos aside from 220 full-matches I have done. I try to finish at the end of this month but it might be late for a week.

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  8. Ocwirk is underrated in passing score. His long pass was amazing. At least he deserves the same score of Boszik in passing. He was a lot better than Rijkaard in that aspect, not only 0.2 points.

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    1. Ok. But why his score in DEF is lower now? And according to your scores, Bozsik surpass Rijkaard now.

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    2. Honesty there is no footage of his defense but 8.8 is a level of central defender. Ocwirk is never known as world-class defender. I also downgrade Bozsik scoring skill so now he is equal to Rijkaard.

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  9. I also think that Maradona deserves, at least, 9.9 in technique and dribbling. Garrincha and Diego are both the best dribblers ever and I don`t see a 0.15 difference between them (and for me Diego makes more different variants in his dribble and "takes more risks" , Garrincha sometimes repeates the same action). And the technique of Diego is the best that I've seen in my whole life. If Ronaldinho deserves a 10, Maradona too, but at least a 9.9 or 9.95.

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    1. I agree at least Maradona dribb pass tougher defenders than Garrincha. In my paper, the best dribbler has been concluded. Garrincha is better than Maradona in dribbling speed, other than that is not superior.

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  10. I think that you made a mistake in the definition of BB. You mix BB with BO I think.

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  11. Why Gordon Banks isn't in top five in specialized skill in shot saving or pass saving?

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    1. I forgot to update the skill table. Anyway, I have adjusted weight criteria to be more proportionate and some rankings have been changed. Note that Gordon Banks is praised for his World Cup performance but he is not really great in many British home championship matches. His reflex is superb but his jumping is rather limited.

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    2. So, Banks is worse than Zamora, Buffon and Beara in shot saving because of his jump?

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    3. Yes,​ he​ is​ not​ much tall and​ his​ jump is​ also not​ spring enough.

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  12. The shooting specialized skill scores are not the same in the total skill table for some players.

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    1. OK I have revised some values. Note that passing in specialized skill include vision to pass but passing in total skill doesn't include so value between the two parts are not same.

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    2. I think that the shot scores of Ronaldo and Van Basten are underrated. Specially Ronaldo, he was a lethal striker in Real Madrid, he had a great shot accuracy, more than 9.0 for sure.

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  13. Acoording to your scores, George Best has to be number 3, Matthews 4, Dzajic 5, Finney 6, Figo 7, Jairzinho 8, Gento 9 and Julinho 10.

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  14. And Carlos Santillana in Aerial Scoring?

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    1. Interesting and​ Let​ me​ check if​ he​ should have​ bee0n qualified.

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    2. Hi, how's your assessment of Carlos Santillana?

      Thank you Naratorn and congratulations for your sensational Blog.

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    3. Unfortunately I​ am​ very​ busy recently.​ I​ will​ look at​ his​ aerial​ability​ in​ near​ future.

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  15. Hi Naratorn. Massive fan of your work here. I wanted to ask about the relatively low score of Pirlo's on technique. Just to give a contemporary example, I think most people would pick his technique over Xavi's. Xavi was a better player for other reasons, namely his massive frontal lobe, but Pirlo constantly astounded with his raw technique. Perfectly-weighted 40 m switch passes, curved through balls, curved free kicks, flawless deadening first touch; these are all possible on command for Pirlo.

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    1. Pirlo's first touch and basic ball controlling is definitely classier than Xavi. I agree that the technical value of him should be increased.

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  16. You omitted the definition to tackling. Anyway, which part of the blog are you updating now?

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    1. I intend to omit because tackling is no point to interpret in other ways. Recently, I adjust criteria of competition. Domestic is fixed at 45 % and flexible to 50 % of limit in opportunity. This led CR7 to get ahead of Di Stefano already when I have not talent his performance in 2018 world cup yet. Next I'll be updating the 2010s Real Madrid in the best dominant club team ever.

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  17. Riquelme passing is underrated. At least, he deserves 9.5. And his dribbling NEVER was 8.9. He was slow but his dribbling was amazing. And his technique was better too. You have to see him again in his best matches with Boca and Argentina.

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    1. I​ totally agree.​Although Riquelme​ mostly dribb pass opponents who approach to him that easier than himself approach​ to​ OPPONENT, his ball controlling is​ really amazing.

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  18. I wanted to call to your attention this legends database for Football Manager:
    https://community.sigames.com/topic/431766-fm18-return-of-the-legends-by-david/

    It has been updated continually for the past few years. Most of the ratings are spot-on. I wonder if there might be some opportunity for fruitful dialogue between the author and you?

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  19. Xavi and Riquelme has to be above Bochini and Netzer according to your scores.

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  20. Who is the number 11 in shooting? Ronaldo Nazario?

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    1. I did not rank 11th. I think there are many potential candidates anyway.

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  21. If I understand Dribbling is the ability to go past an opponent without loosing the ball. It includes technique (usage of skills and tricks ...), accuracy, agility (body feints, ...).
    If you never go past several opponents but always one (rather statically) then give the ball or shoot. Are you considered as a good dribbler ?

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    1. Player could get pass one defender mainly by acceleration but they could be a great dribbler if get pass a top defender by technical skill.

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  22. It's strange to me to not see Juninho number one at free-kick. He could score from anywhere and a lot.

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  23. After having seen his world cup games and a few videos I am trying to figure out why you put 10 to Garrincha in dribbling and especially you consider him as a better dribbler than maradona for example.

    What is important ?
    Number of successful dribbles ?
    Ratio of successful dribbles / attempted dribbles ?
    Ability to get past several opponents ? (Same questions, how often ?)
    Ability to be decisive (assist, scoring ...) after dribbling ?
    Skills used to dribble ? (body feints ... )
    When you did the dribbles ?

    Note I can imagine in the dayly life Garrincha would be even more impressive than in world cup.

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    1. Garrincha dribbling always seems easy to get pass opponents thanks for his phenomenon agility of his feet plus the ball is perfectly controlled on his feet. He failed to get pass opponents in some situations mostly after getting passing 1 - 2 players with too narrow area as well. For level of opponents, he could get pass Czechoslovakian defenders that are very tough at that time.

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    2. In my opinion, from your top 10 I would be more like (I can not evaluate Sindelar ...) because the ability to get pass several opponents mixing short and speed dribbling is for me what makes the greatest dribbler.
      1. Messi
      2. Maradona
      3. Zico
      4. Ronaldo
      5. Sivori
      6. Cruyff
      7. Best
      8. Ronaldinho
      9. Baggio
      10.Garrincha


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  24. In my opinion, X.Alonso deserves more than 8.8 in passing, his short and long passing ability was just amazing

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    1. I​ tend to​ agree.​ His​ long​ passing is​ always​ accurate.​ I​ will​ revise as​ soon as​ my​ Internet​ signal has​ been​ resolved.

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  25. Thuram had a better technique than Vogts for sure, and I think there isn't that big difference in stamina between them.

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  26. "SPD: Speed without the ball and acceleration with the ball for attackers
    Rapidity = 30 % of top speed + 70 % of acceleration."
    With this definition of SPD I don't see how M.Laudrup could only be 8.2 while Iniesta is 8.3.
    For sure Laudrup top speed is much better than Iniesta's and in my opinion Laudrup's acceleration is in the same order of magnitude.
    All this allowed Laudrup to rush with the ball when Iniesta must dribble to not be caught.


    From my point of view with the metrics systems, I already presented this in another comment, I like to separate speed this way.
    10 - 15 m : explosion power/acceleration (with the ball) : Iniesta ~= Laudrup
    15 - 25 m : Acceleration + speed (with or without the ball) : Laudrup > Iniesta
    25 - 40 m : Acceleration + top speed (with or without the ball): Laudrup > Iniesta

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    1. I agree as you analyze. I really like your comments that is helpful to develop the list. Please continue.

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    2. Speed is most probably the easier part to analyze.
      Glad to help, but to keep on doing I need to understand the way you ranked.

      From what I understand from your ranking.
      70 % of acceleration is linked to the burst I describe on 10 - 15 m and top speed is more 25 - 40 m.

      I may be wrong but you give less credits to the ability to get speed between 15 - 25 than me.

      What I can say is it will decide if you can go alone or need to dribble for attackers and for defenders it will allow you to come back on counter attack.

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    3. Now what do you think of messi's acceleration here : https://youtu.be/jFyr0oVJSXE?t=23 ?

      It was in 2014/2015 and I am pretty sure he had an even bigger explosion power a few years before.

      Messi's explosion power was just incredible at his prime and as it seems to be 70 % of your rating most probably he deserves more

      Now If I compare him to Robben 9.4 while Messi is 9.1.

      10 - 15 m : Messi >= Robben (same order of magnitude)
      15 - 25 m : Robben >= Messi (same order of magnitude)
      25 - 40 m : Robben > Messi
      > 40 m : Robben >> Messi

      So having Robben ahead of Messi in speed is ok for me but with your definition it's not so obvious.

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