*Update for 2024 Euro
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The scorecards is an evaluation result of the systematic implementation project as specified in methodology and footballer evalution result (The Footballers Evaluation Result). This result is the last update version of Positional Hall of Fame (Major Hall). The main procedures of implementation is specified as following
The scorecards is an evaluation result of the systematic implementation project as specified in methodology and footballer evalution result (The Footballers Evaluation Result). This result is the last update version of Positional Hall of Fame (Major Hall). The main procedures of implementation is specified as following
- Referenced/Determine Rating of player by competition
and by season or tournament.
- Input the raw rating data into calculation system
- Calculate participation amount and loss ratio
- Determine the primary proportion of competition
levels based on actual participation
- Final adjustment of proportion
- Calculate Bonus and Conditional Margin
- Review/Revise the evaluation result
However, the raw rating has never been completely
available and surmise based on involved evidences is permitted. Here shows only
final result since the database of calculation is too large and if anyone would
like to check the database of calculation by competition level and by player,
please contact me. The new evidence or support article is always welcome.
*Update for the end of 2016 -2017 season
I : Striker
II : Forward
III : Offensive Midfielder
IV : Central Midfielder
V : Offensive Lateral
INDEX : Historical Bonus Status of players
John Charles : He is one of few players in history to achieve
world-class in both defender and striker role. He also had a great exceptional characteristic
to influence his teammate.
Just Fontaine : He is the first African born player to achieve in international
football with a phenomenon goal record in a single world cup.
Isidro Langara : The Spanish civil war largely interrupt his career for
3 years but he made a great return in another continent, South Americas.
Fritz Walter : He greatly returned from
the World War II. From almost zero state, he notably led West Germany to
acquire World Cup trophy.
Eric
Cantona : He is known as a key player to turn history of Man Utd. The arrival
of him salvage Alex Ferguson from a risk state to be sacked.
Bobby Charlton : Charlton was suffered from Munich Disaster in both
physical and mental but he made a great come back and led Man Utd to win the biggest
European trophy and also World Cup.
Valentino Mazzola : He was an pioneer of
all-round midfielder in Europe.
Jose Leandro Andrade : He is a prototype of technical defensive player. He
lost an eye but still managed to win the world cup.
Stanley Matthews : He came back from the
World War II and sustained his consistency and longevity phenomenally.
Billy Meredith : He was a pioneer of spectacular dribbler.
Milos Milutinovic : He had a long problem of lung and got surgery but
still came back to achieve some good seasons.
David Beckham : His iconic personality much contributed to worldwide football popularity.
Obdulio Varela : His great leadership to activate Uruguayan players was a main reason of Uruguay's 1950 World Cup winner.
David Beckham : His iconic personality much contributed to worldwide football popularity.
Obdulio Varela : His great leadership to activate Uruguayan players was a main reason of Uruguay's 1950 World Cup winner.
Bobby Moore : Moore is one of most iconic players ever for his great
impact to his team.
Paul Janes : He was a prototype of
world-class technical full-back in Europe. He also made a good return from WW
II. The Paul Janes stadion is named for his honor.
Ricardo Zamora : The Zamora trophy is named for his honor.
Amadeo Carrizo : A pioneer of acrobatic
keeping-sweeping style of play.
Gyula Grosics : A pioneer of keeping-sweeping
style of play.
Jan
Tomaszewski : His phenomenon contribution on Polish national team football
history.
Statistics
By Continents : Europe 266 , Americas 95, Africa 4
* There are 365 player's profiles within the Great Hall of Immortals
* Statistics includes honorable mentions and excludes Manager.
* None of Asian and North African players could make the lists.
Statistics
By Decades
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By Nations
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00s - 20s
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20.5
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Germany
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43
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Uruguay
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14
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Wales
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5
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1930s
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24.5
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Brazil
| 40
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Scotland
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10
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Denmark
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4
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1940s
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25.5
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Italy
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38
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Soviet Union
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9
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Peru
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4
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1950s
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55
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Argentina
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33
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Austria
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9
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Paraguay
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2
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1960s
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54
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England
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24
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Czechoslovakia
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7
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Romania
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2
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1970s
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54
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Holland
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20
| Belgium
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7
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Wales
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2
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1980s
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51.5
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Spain
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18
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Ireland
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7
| Chile
| 1
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1990s
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42.5
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Hungary
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16
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Portugal
| 7
| Bulgaria
| 1
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00s - 20s
| 43.5
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France
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16
| Sweden
| 6
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Mexico
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1
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Yugoslavia
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15
| Poland
| 6
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Ecuador
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1
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Liberia,Cameroon Egypt, Senegal
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1
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By Continents : Europe 266 , Americas 95, Africa 4
* There are 365 player's profiles within the Great Hall of Immortals
* Statistics includes honorable mentions and excludes Manager.
* None of Asian and North African players could make the lists.
Honorable Mentions
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The honorable mentions is available in every position. They are named below top 50 players in a basic performance rating but they're considered to ever achieve world-class performance and was circumstantial effected to major disappearances of the career.
Note that Honorable Mention is limited at three players for each position.
Note that Honorable Mention is limited at three players for each position.
This is the honorable mention by position.
GK : Bert Truatmann : Never played in national team part
DF : Renzo De Vecchi : The best defender in amateur era but limited circumstance prevent him to the success.
DF : Branko Zebec : Played as DF in the late career and reached world-class
CM : Duncan Edwards : Passed Away since his early career
AM : Dragan Stojkovic : Got injury and played only full 4 seasons in Europe.
AM : Larbi Benbarek : He has no chance to play in international tournament.
AM : Nicolae Dobrin : He has no chance to play in international tournament.
WG : Istvan Nyers : Caps just twice games due to playing aboard.
DF : Renzo De Vecchi : The best defender in amateur era but limited circumstance prevent him to the success.
DF : Branko Zebec : Played as DF in the late career and reached world-class
CM : Duncan Edwards : Passed Away since his early career
AM : Dragan Stojkovic : Got injury and played only full 4 seasons in Europe.
AM : Larbi Benbarek : He has no chance to play in international tournament.
AM : Nicolae Dobrin : He has no chance to play in international tournament.
WG : Istvan Nyers : Caps just twice games due to playing aboard.
FW : Eric Cantona : The hero of Man Utd who has been considered as the one who turned history of Man Utd
FW : Milos Milutonovic : One of the most skillful wing-forwards ever but faced health problem
FW : Eduard Streltsov : He disappeared the majority part of career due to be detained in the prison.
FW : Ernst Willimowski : Top-Class Players whose his career was effected by World War II
STK : Paolo Rossi : Got injury and disappear for a big part of club career
STK : Tommy Lawton : World War II effect his legend status since his early career.
FW : Milos Milutonovic : One of the most skillful wing-forwards ever but faced health problem
FW : Eduard Streltsov : He disappeared the majority part of career due to be detained in the prison.
FW : Ernst Willimowski : Top-Class Players whose his career was effected by World War II
STK : Paolo Rossi : Got injury and disappear for a big part of club career
STK : Tommy Lawton : World War II effect his legend status since his early career.
How can Iniesta and Hagi have the same cond. margin when hagi has higher peak and ability and they have the same lowest stats? I think it's a mistake.
ReplyDeleteOK, please wait for update.
DeleteYou must put Pedernera at position 51. on the "worlds all-time greatest footballers"
ReplyDeleteAs I have replied, please wait for the large update the list between 51th and 100th when all positions of scorecard have been finished.
DeleteBeckham should be in front of Littbarski.
ReplyDeleteAs aforementioned, 0.1 is not significantly different.
DeleteNote that I have change the rule. If total point is not significantly different. Peak will be judged. Secondary criteria will be basic point.
Following this rule, Thuram would have to be in front of Vogts? His peak is higher but he is 0.2 points lower in Final Score.
DeleteAnd when you say "secondary criteria will be basic point" means "only the Basic Total Score" or "the Basic Total Score + the Bonus Point"?
0.2 is significant value. Basic score as show in the table isn't include bonus.
DeleteOK, everything have been completed. Now I can't wait for an update of Position Hall of Fame and these player's profiles. The controversy is inevitable for some positions but I hope to see how Messi and Ronaldo 's scorecard will be when this season end up.
ReplyDeleteMattheus should never be at #1 for any position. Very good player with a winning spirit but well short of a legendary talent.
ReplyDeleteand 1978 "trofei bravo" did not win Matthaus than Jimmy Case
ReplyDeleteGrosics in front of Maspoli.
ReplyDeleteDear, Readers
ReplyDeleteAll Positions have been adjusted based on evaluation result.
Summary of in-and-out players as a result from methodological implementation
Goalkeeper : Zeman and Glaser out, Van Beveren and Stuhlfault in
Defender : Khurtsilava out, Vierchowod in
Offensive Lateral : Enrique Garcia out, David Beckham in
Forward : Manuel Seoane out, Luis Alberto Suarez in
Striker : Wilimowski and Lanagra arw down to honorable mention, Owen and Drogba in
Didier Drogba is the logical choice, but Owen is certainly not. Wilimowski certainly deserves his place, and probably Langara. Stuhlfauth was a great goalkeeper. Glaser was even greater. Van Beveren was a level below Stuhlfauth and Glaser. And Zeman was certainly better than Van Beveren. I support the choice of Beckham and Suarez. Big players. Vierchowod I think is insane choice. Khurtisilava was certainly better. And they were also Costacurta and Morten Olsen. Puyol was incomparably better. For S
Deleteoane and specially Garcia looks normal. This is my personal opinion.
Before I make the list, Owen is not included in top 50 striker. I understand his relative short prime. Langara is actually ahead of him, please check. Wilimowski played too few matches in the first tier league. His prolific scores > 550 goals mostly creates in German regional division during World-War II. He was a phenomenon scorer in World Cup against Brazil but appear only one match.
DeleteWhy do you think Glaser is that great ? I admit to name him previously because Croatian expert confirm me about his great status from the old magazine evidence. But when I check his career, he did have a greater conceding record in international career than average.
Zeman’s career was highly impacted but his injury and his conceding record is relatively too high when compare with goalkeepers in the same era.
Khurtsilava is a better player in overall skill and I’m not doubt on this point but this list is primarily evaluated by performance in overall career so consistency become one of the most important factors. Khurtsilava was also impacted by injury which lead to short prime career.
Franjo Glaser (January 13, 1913 in Sarajevo, Austria-Hungary – March 1, 2003 in Zagreb, Croatia) was a Croatian football goalkeeper and football manager, who made his name in Građanski Zagreb.
DeleteOne of the best Yugoslavian goalkeepers in history and at his time Glaser was known as one of the best goalkeepers in the world. There were three: Ricardo Zamora, František Plánička & Franjo Glaser. In addition, he is only Yugoslavian footballer who won Yugoslavian championship (before and after WWII) in all three clubs where he played: Beogradski sport klub (BSK Belgrade) - twice, Građanski Zagreb – once and Partizan Belgrade – once. According to his own career records, between 1933 and 1949 Glaser played 1225 games in total!
Renowned for wearing a cap (always) and not wearing gloves, Glaser was never substituted and saved 73 out of 94 penalties. In addition when he took a penalty, he never missed. He got the nickname 'Iron Fist', by punching the balls sent from a corner all the way over the center line of the field.
Glaser was born in Osijek where he started play for the local club NK Slavija at the age of 15. Then he moved to NK Hajduk Sarajevo and Concordia Zagreb before joining BSK Belgrade during his military service. In fall of 1933 until January 1937 (during his military service), he played 269 games for Beogradski sport klub (BSK Belgrade) and won Championships (1934/35, 1935/36). In that period, Franjo Glaser played 13 games for Belgrade city selection.
Then he moved to Zagreb (from January 1937 until May 1945) where he played for Građanski Zagreb and acquired almost a legendary status. For Građanski, Franjo recorded 623 games (1937-45), winning Yugoslav championship in 1937. and 1940. as well as the Croatian championship in 1943. and 1 Cup (1941). For Zagreb city selection Franjo Glaser played 41 games.
He was member of Partizan Belgrade from club establishment until August 1947. Glaser recorded 91 games for Partizan winning one championship in 1947. After short episode in Partizan, Franjo went to Split where he coached and played for NK Mornar (played in 84 games) till 1949. when he retire from football.
He played 35 matches for ex-Yugoslavia (1933-40). For Croatia Glaser played 11 matches (1940-44) and scored five goals.
May i ask in wich part of game, Vierchowod is better than Costacurta?
DeleteVierchowod is faster which is very advantageous for the final sweeping. I like Costacurta but he is much slower although he has a greater position and marking.
DeleteI also check media rating, Vierchowod get higher peak and also more consistent in overall career.
I read this article of Glaser for a long time but I am really not sure about its origin source as people could overrate him.
DeleteFigueroa was the best defender of history. You work, is very good, but this calculation is need recheck. Figueroa for individual award, was the best defender of history, never the 10. Maybe you need to add the cateroría of "individual awards", because your analysis is about individual players and not of the collective of a team. Also, the "individual awards" It involves the expert opinion of the time in your context.
ReplyDeleteI found a error in this Offensive Midfielder list. By his peak and basic score, Haller has to be the number 34, Orth 35, Rocha 36 and Pirlo 37.
ReplyDeleteVogts has to be in front of Djalma Santos? Djalma have 78.4 final score and Vogts have 78.3 final score, both have A+ hight perform state and A- low perform state. But Vogts has 77.5 basic score and Djalma 77.2 basic score.
ReplyDeletePlease wait. Now I'm reset the proportional criteria of international competition which would help players to get less effect from limited opportunity.
ReplyDeleteWhich player do you think had a highest peak performance: Thuram or Carlos Alberto? I think that Thuram performance in 1998 was the highest performance I've seen in a right-back, but I want to hear your opinion.
ReplyDeleteThuram in 1998 is even the best France player ahead of Zidane and that means he conducts the most impact on the champion of France as he abnormally scored twice goals in that tournament and he never scored in other games his NT career. Carlos Alberto is a greater playmaker but his defensive ability is far inferior to Thuram. In national team tournament, I’d go for Thuram.
DeleteIn club level, Thuram obtain around 6.7 rating in the 1996 – 1997 series A season which is the highest rate for defender in history of awards. Note that the season with Parma, Thuram mostly stayed at defensive line. There is no rating evidence found for Carlos Alberto at his peak at club career between 1968 – 1970 (his most successful season with Santos is 1968). As Brazilian football always emphasis offensive strategy, his inferior defensive coverage is not much effect on his performance. In this case is just similar to compare Matthias Sammer and Franco Baresi. But at the peak, Sammer still get favor for his indispensable centralized role. I’d prefer Carlos Alberto in club career as Thuram became rare in supporting attacking game in club career.
Dear, Readers
ReplyDeleteNow the important revision has been completed in details as below ;
1) The previous proportion consider = or > 90 % of participation standard of international competition is regarded as the given maximum proportion. However, I abolish this condition and participation amount is calculated based on actual participation to help players with limited opportunity get less effects from low point.
2) Minimum point if international competition has been re-set. Players with lower point than standard table of mutual competition level performance, will be eligible to obtain more point which is also limited by their performance in each competition. By this method, it help to control level of players who had limited opportunity in international competition.
It's Neuer, not Nauer.
ReplyDeleteIn your opinion, what years are considered Nílton Santos' peak? And who has a higher peak performance, Nílton Santos or Andreas Brehme?
ReplyDeleteI have watched a few videos of Nilton Santos primarily in international country career so I’m not in the best position to determine his peak year. However, Nilton Santos was not selected in all stars team of the 1954 world cup and the 1957 Copa America where Djalma made it. Although the peak years of player is unnecessary to coincide with the team achievement especially for defensive players, the failure of Botafogo in Campeonato Carioca in 1952, 1954, 1955 at below top four in such state championship marks his difficult period during his career. Highlight of his career is definitely existed in the second half 1950s (1956 – 1958) when he was one of the top players in the 1958 World Cup and his mutual success with Botafogo. In 1959, he was capped only twice from total 14 official matches and it is too difficult to count this year as one of his peak seasons.
DeleteNilton Santos was a great wing-player but his role was not an extreme attacker likes Roberto Carlos as he was fully responsible in three defenders-line. In comparison to Brehme, Nilton is surely a better defensive coverage as Brehme was a natural side-defensive midfielder. By offensive quality, Brehme conducts more accurate crossing and is a superior creative player while Nilton is a great technical player and dribbler. For all that, I see Brehme is more impact on his team’s ball possession and productivity than Nilton thanks for his assists and the great understanding of the tactic. I’d go for Brehme in the peak (but is relatively short).
Thanks for answering! By the way, your work is amazing and gets better and better every day.
DeleteThanks you ! It is willingness of exhaustion anyway.
DeleteThe statistics of scorecard has been added.
ReplyDeleteThe top 11, looking like a coach: 1.(gk)-Schmeichel,- 2.(rb)-Lahm,- 3.(lb)-Brehme,- 4.(cd)-Sammer,- 5.(cd)-Kohler,- 6.(cm)-Matthaus,- 7.(amc)-Zidane,- 8.(aml)-M.Laudrup,- 9.(fr)-Messi,- 10.(amr)-Maradona,- 11.(fl)-Ronaldinho.
ReplyDeleteThe top 11, looking like a football expert: 1.(gk)-Schmeichel,- 2.(rb)-Thuram,- 3.(lb)-Maldini,-4.(cd)-Sammer,- 5.(cd)-Baresi,- 6.(cm)-Matthaus,- 7.(amc)-Zidane,-8.(aml)-M.Laudrup,- 9.(st)-N.L.Ronaldo,- 10.(amr)-Maradona,- 11.(ss)-Messi.
The top 11, watching as a spectator: 1.(gk)-Neuer,- 2.(rb)-Cafu,- 3.(lb)-R.Carlos,- 4.(cd)-Sammer,- 5.(cd)-Nesta,- 6.(cm)-Xavi,- 7.(amc)-Roberto Baggio,- 8.(aml)-M.Laudrup,- 9.(fr)-Messi,- 10.(amr)-Maradona,- 11.(fl)-Ronaldinho.
The top 11, looking like a warrior: 1.(gk)-Schmeichel,- 2.(rb)-Bergomi,- 3.(lb)-Maldini,- 4.(cd)-Cannavaro,- 5.(cd)- Puyol,- 6.(dm)-Keane,- 7.(lcm)-Davids,- 8.(rcm)-Matthaus,- 9.(st)-Drogba,- 10.(amc)-Maradona,- 11.(fw)-Suarez.
The top 11, looking like a statistician: 1.(gk)-Buffon,- 2.(rb)-Thuram,- 3.(lb)-Maldini,-4.(cd)-Baresi,- 5.(cd)-Puyol,- 6.(dm)-Matthaus,- 7.(cm)-Zidane,- 8.(aml)-M.Laudrup,- 9.(fr)-Messi,- 10.(amr)-Maradona,- 11.(fl)-C.Ronaldo.
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I found a few errors. Meazza has to be in front of Moreno. Meredith has to be in front of Conti. Janes in front of Shesternev. Dasaev below Mazurkiewicz, Jennings and Van Der Sar maybe? Zenga in front of Pfaff and Planicka maybe (same final score and same AA- high perform but his low perform is higher, his basic score is lower but only by 0.1, I don't know if that counts)? I hope this helps.
ReplyDeleteOK, I have revised. I forgot to re-implement Moreno based on new criteria. 0.1 is not significant value in any comparison. But still, Zenga must be ahead of Marie-Pfaff.
DeleteJanes in front of Shesternev because he has a higher peak performance.
DeleteZenga not in front of Planicka? They are practically the same in all aspects except in "Low Perform State", where Zenga has A- and Planicka has B+.
You're right. I need to revise again.
DeleteI checked again and I think I found another mistakes:
Delete-Ardiles has to be in front of Keane and Davids because of his higher peak.
-Souness in front of Toninho because of his higher basic score.
-Ribery first, then Hamrin (because Ribery has a higher international performance), then Czibor (because of his lower Low Perform State) and finally Orsi.
-Robben in front of Johnstone and Giggs because of his higher basic score.
-Rahn in front of Loustau because he has a higher peak.
-Cafu in front of Santamaria because he has a higher basic score.
-Hierro in front of Wright because he has best international performance.
-Clemence in front of Zubizarreta because he has a higher peak.
-Van Beveren in front of Leao because he has has higher skill and higher Low Perform State.
Ok thanks for help. You are correct on Ardiles as the rule of league comparison.
DeleteAs I check case of Wright vs Hierro, it let me set the more criteia. In case of comparison between one and two international participation, the one participant can beat the two if the point is more than both of them. In case more than only one, the difference between them will be compared.
DeleteAs I check case of Wright vs Hierro, it let me set the more criteia. In case of comparison between one and two international participation, the one participant can beat the two if the point is more than both of them. In case more than only one, the difference between them will be compared.
DeleteI'm not sure if I understood you correctly. In this case Hierro has to be in front of Wright?
DeleteWright = 33.5 points for international competition
Hierro = 16.7+25.4 = 42.1 points for international competition
It is not directly compared like that because they have different proportion. So let see in percent. Wight get 76.2 more than both of Hierro (75.8 and 74.7). If I assume Hierro’s international club point is at 77, the difference will be compared between (77 – 76.2 = 0.8) and (76.2 – 74.7 = 1.5) and it can see Wright’s margin is still better in example.
DeleteOk, now I understand. Thanks for your clarification.
DeleteWhy Gullit has Age Bonus but no points? Also Djalma Santos, Albertosi, Preud'homme and Ramallets has bonus points but you do not specify what kind of bonus is.
DeleteOK thanks, I'll correct it.
DeleteThe "Offensive Lateral" image is not displayed correctly, is very small.
ReplyDeleteThis season is ending, so have you intended to update the scorecard and honours of each superstar yet?
ReplyDeleteSure, I will complete it soon start from now on.
DeleteIn the Forward category, is there a reason Cruyff is over di Stefano though he has a lower final score according to your calculations?
ReplyDeleteLower only 0.1 is not significant to take difference. It is required more than 0.2.
DeleteYour vision of analysis is collective, not individual.
ReplyDeleteIn the individual Elías Figueroa is the best defender of history.
Only Beckenbauer got the same level of recognition that Figueroa,
but Beckenbauer also recognizes to Figueroa
when compared with him.
Heroecauno ? Your comment is dependent of cultural rating in your area. I said many time Figueroa is ranked better in domestic football and pure skill but he is lack of international success so his legend status must be limited.
DeleteSouness still has to be in front of Toninho because of his higher basic score. And you forget to indicate the type of bonus of Djalma Santos (I think that is Age Bonus).
ReplyDeleteRobben has to be in front of Giggs (higher Basic Score and higher Total Skill).
ReplyDeleteHow often do you update your rankings?
ReplyDeleteBtw, i love your site, keep up the good work.
Thanks. In top 50 list, I basically update at least in every half of season for the progression of performance. However, it could revised in any time if an additional evidence/knowledge could conduct to the change.
DeleteDon't you think that Robben deserves AA in his High Perform State? In the last World Cup he was almost unstoppable. He also has excellent matches with Bayern Munich in recent years. You put an AA to Figo who, in my opinion, was not better than Robben in terms of High Perform State, at least at the same level.
ReplyDeleteFigo in the peak was not only a great dribbler and creator but also prolific scorer and won FIFA World Player of the Year. Robben is just quicker
DeleteOk. And what you think about Cannavaro? In my opinion, he deserves AA- in High Perform State, at the same level as Nesta. His performance was amazing at the World Cup 2006, he was a human wall.
DeleteHe was better than Nesta in international country career but the peak is considered based on domestic career also. Cannavaro is as tough as Nesta in the peak but he was not capable to set the game in an usual manner as lacking of technique. He often kick the ball without destination.
DeleteI have another question for you. If you have to make a ranking about the peak performances of Chumpitaz, Domingos Da Guia and Santamaría, how would it be? I saw that you put Santamaría in the eight place in "The Greatest Pure Defensive Performers Ever" list.
DeleteI always includes technical ability in peak performance. Santamaria is clearly inferior to other two. Historically, I had prefer choose Domingos Da Guia when he performed an incredible standard of era that defensive players were much less developed than nowadays. However, he was too limited in international opportunity to be ranked higher than Chumpitaz in overall career performance.
DeleteI understand. And for you who was the best and the worst in defensive skills only? Santamaría was the best and Da Guia the worst?
DeleteI think so. Santamaria was very tough marker. Da Guia would be fit to advanced sweeper role in the next eras. He is not known as an extreme defensive-minded player. Chumpitaz was very tough but he was not great in aerial game.
DeleteWhy did Charles receive 2 points historical bonus? Billy Meredith has only 0.7 for historical and age bonus and I think that he should have way more.
ReplyDeleteThe historical bonus is given to 1) Player who has an remarkable role in turning his team's history. 2) The iconic player who has an influential characteristic on the pitch. Charles is given bonus at 0.8 point as the most influential player to turn Wales history to qualify for the World Cup final as the only time in history and by 1.2 point for the second item.
DeleteMeredith is given bonus for the second item just 0.3 point. He was an outstanding player but not as influential as Charles and not got to specially turn history with his clubs.
The High Perform State of Moreno, Cubillas, Nílton Santos, Yashin, Zoff, Buffon, Banks, Schmeichel, Maier, Kahn and Zamora are not the same in "Competition Level-Based Greatest Ever".
ReplyDeleteThe defenders and goalkeepers have not been rated the same between the mentioned lists because difference of sampling group. When GK and DF compare to other position, their peak is relatively lower. For Moreno and Cubillas, I’ll review again.
DeleteIs Messi updated in this list?
ReplyDeleteYes, already updated and his score has been up by 0.4 point for the 2015 Copa America.
DeleteSeems unlikely he will reach Maradona?
DeleteIt is still moderately possible to overtake Maradona but I think it is too difficult to surpass Pele.
DeleteI saw your list "The Highest Defender's Peaks of All-Time", but I think that is outdated because in this "Player Evaluation Result" you change a lot of things. For you who has a higher peak: Bobby Moore or Elías Figueroa?
ReplyDeleteOK, I’ll review that list. I’m more impressive in Figueroa. He was better physically and is seen to win the ball in more advanced way.
DeleteStill no Neymar?
ReplyDeleteHe is forecast to appear in top 50 in the next season.
DeleteRobben should be in front of Ribery.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you add point for Petr Cech and Ibrahimovic? They're having supreme international class according to Whoscored. They're the main reason for the 1st place of their own club
ReplyDeleteThey are unintentionally omitted. I'll update when I have time.
DeleteIbra has been updated. L.Suarez is also found to slightly overrated so his rank has been down by 2
DeleteTks a lots. You're the most hard-working journalist I've ever known, even if you were born in a developing country like Thailand. Huge respect from Vietnamese!
DeleteLol, thanks anyway. Journalist’s literature works could be not so hard but I think it is hard as a researcher when I need to collect the large database and methodologically implement.
DeleteIn Argentina there is an eternal debate: Who was better? Fillol or Carrizo? I saw that you put a B+ for Fillol and an A- for Carrizo in Total Skill (maybe because of the "sweeper-keeper" abilities implemented by Carrizo?). But, in your opinion, who had a higher peak performance?
ReplyDeleteHonesty, I rate Carrizo better in skill from what I read from South American articles but never saw and analyze the peak of Carrizo in Video as it is rare. When the project of skill analysis will start, I will be looking for watching them.
DeleteDjalma Santos is the brazilian right-back with the highest total performance. But for you, who has a a higher peak: Djalma Santos or Cafu? I know that they played in diferent eras (football has changed), but for me Cafu seems better at his peak.
ReplyDeleteI know you are busy, but I was just wondering when will you update for Copa America and Euro 2016? :)
ReplyDeleteI already updated before you ask. Please notice.
DeleteIn doméstic... Didi and Best > Messi????????
ReplyDeleteHave you calculated Neymar's score? How far from top 50 forwards is he?
ReplyDeleteI incompletely calculated. When I found his domestic point is still below standard of top 50 material, I discontinue to calculate more. I think he would appear in top 50 when the first half of next season will be ended in not injury or played too bad.
DeleteThanks for the answer.
DeleteIt would be nice if you could write a reason for every players historical bonus.
ReplyDeleteGood idea, I'm surely going to specify the reason.
DeleteAre you going to write it in the article or somewhere else?
DeleteI'm going to write in remark below the scorecard. Please just wait, it should be done within next 3 - 4 days.
DeleteThe explanation of historical bonus status for each player has been written in the index at the bottom area of this page.
DeleteGreat, I expected that Billy Meredith bonus is for his contribution in players' union. You just missed Varela and Beckham.
DeleteOK, I have added for Beckham and Varela.
DeleteFor starters, this is amazing! Very comprehensive. Have you updated for the past season? Interested to see where some of the current greats rank as of this year.
ReplyDeleteI actually have updated for the first half of the 2016 - 2017 season
DeleteHave you not considered breaking down the defence bracket into central defenders and 'defensive laterals' as you have titled them? Also I'm interested as to how matthaus has ended with such a high score. I mean he was a wonderful leader and a great force but I'd never considered him as talented as xavi or Andrade
ReplyDeleteThis topic of discussion is quite popular to this list. I see Matthaus is limited in talent and he was one of top players in the world just 3 years. However, he sustain his consistent career phenomenally and his complete ability is also noteworthy exceptional. Xavi is more talent but he is really a teamwork player. I mean he always need a effective offensive players in front him since he could not go advance well and his defensive ability is average.
DeleteI am a huge fan of your work, I have tons of positive things to say about it and only one criticism. You severely underrated players from last 10-15 years. Attacking players are slightly underrated but defensive players are hugely underrated, no active defender is in top 50 defenders and that's a disgrace. No Terry, Vidic, Alves or Ramos (who is ranked as 82. center back by you!!). I honestly don't know why you disrespect them that much when they are arguably better than defenders of yesterday because of physical fitness and much better defensive schemes.
ReplyDeleteHi, you could see most of defenders appeared in top 50 possesses some impressive technique with great defensive qualification. Terry and Vidic was very tough, strong with accurate tackling but they played against weaker attackers in the modern era than the past so their performance could be limited and also both of them rather has a short prime if compare to the others, Daniel Alves and Sergio Ramos are not great enough in defensive quality. However, I'm improving the list of the 9 x 100 positional ranking list and will consider these players if they have been underrated.
DeleteSee, you always say that thing about "weak era" but do you have anything to back it up? Why are attackers of the past better?
DeleteIn the modern era football, the average of players ability is increased as a result of physical and tactic development while the top level players are also reduced in average number. Rare attackers came close to Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo in the last decade. You can see many nations have no great successor and the most obvious choices are Eastern European nations, Netherlands, Italy, Germany, England, etc.
DeleteThe fact that football in modern era is more emphasis in tactic than the past. Defenders are also more facilitated with the effective defensive system while defenders needed more individual ability to intercept the opponents.
Vidic was dominant enough in defensive line and his longevity is a main problem. Terry made a rare mistake and very reliable but limited in his sweeping role that most of situations are not too difficult for him because Chelsea always packed its condensed-defensive. In 1-to-1 battle against great technical and fast player, he was really not outstanding.
Ok, I respect those arguments but I think that it's so much that there are not many great attackers, it's just that Messi and Ronaldo are so much above everybody else. If Messi and Ronaldo weren't here others would be held in higher regard. I also think that Messi and Ronaldo are a bit underrated by you but not by much.
DeleteAre there any players here that played multiple positions and would have higher score if combined? I noticed that's the case for John Charles.
ReplyDeleteAs I remember, only Sarosi is in the same case. Note that performance in any other position than categorized position is included in calculation but just 50 %.
DeleteI thought that may be the case with him but he has the same basic score here and in all-time greatest players list.
DeleteXabi Alonso is missing from the table.
ReplyDeleteOk, Thanks. I updated him and then I used the file is not the last update version. I have solved it.
DeleteHave you calculated ability rating for all of these players or just skill?
ReplyDeleteOnly skill because total ability is calculated for comparing players in different position only.
DeleteThe percentages of 3 competition levels are a bit off for a lot of players, almost every player that I checked. They are almost always a bit above 100%. For example Maradona: 49+17+35=101%
ReplyDeleteThat is about decimal. As column is very compressed because of limited width, the decimal is disappeared.
DeleteOh yeah, I see it, but in Cruyff's case int. country score is not the same as in all time greatest players list.
DeleteIt is implemented in different criteria between positional list and footballers list. Positional list is more flexible in limitation of opportunistic factor.
DeleteOh, I didn't know that, I noticed the difference in Meazza's case too. Now it all makes sense, thanks.
DeleteThe total skill of Beckenbauer is wrong. And the goalkeeper list is repeated four times.
ReplyDeleteIt is actually not wrong. I set a special case for Beckenbauer who is better than A+ in defender position because he has another superb offensive ability.
DeleteDo you change the total skill of Buffon? Or I'm incorrect? I think that it was an A before, not an A+.
ReplyDeleteI change because I have some revision is skill analysis database.
DeleteNeuer (total score: 77.6) is above Fillol (total score: 77.9). Please fix that.
ReplyDeleteOk I will.
DeleteDo you have top100 all time player ?
ReplyDeleteYes please see in xtrahistory.blogspot.com and click footballer evaluation.
DeleteHello,
ReplyDeleteGreat work. I am a huge fan of your work.
I see you have a top 100 ranking (Football evaluation) which is amazing but I am trying to see what would give the top 100 of player I have see with your criterias. I want to consider player reaching their prime after end of 1980s (Baggio, M.Laudrup are in my scope for example...)
Do you think you could provide maybe a top1000 list ?
Thanks
Thanks for your compliment. As compare players in different position is more inaccurate than same position, I think 100 ranks is enough for now. Anyway, you can roughly determine top 500 players from scorecard here.
ReplyDeleteI have tried to mix football player evaluation and 9x100 list. This way, especially when a player appears as playmaker in 9x100 list and central midfield here, I can merge and be accurate. But like this I manage to classify more or less accurately around 50 players I have seen but I miss score people closed to reach such as Terry, Stam, Campbell, Vidic, Lucio, Puyol, T.Silva, S.Ramos, Ayala, T.Adams, R.Ferdinand, Kompany, Gamarra, Mihaljovic, Carvallho, Hummels ... Lizarazu ... Guardiola, Makekelele, Emerson, Deschamps, Essien, Dunga, Swcheinsteiger, M.Silva, Simeone, Busquets, Cambiasso...
DeleteI will stop here but what is hard is to mix categories as you did the football top evaluation.
Do you see what I try do? I would like be able to do a clissifcation unified of all the player I have seen in your 9x100 list which is the same to have the entire score card of all player in the 9x100 list
You made a mistske. You put the "offensive lateral" list in the offensive midfielder section.
ReplyDeleteThe high perform state of Yashin, Buffon and Zoff here is not the same in "The Footballers Evaluation Result".
ReplyDeleteGoalkeeper high perform. state will be reduced in bond credit in footballer list because they have lower value rating.
DeleteOk. I understand. But why Yashin and Zoff got a lower reduction (AAA- to AA+ and AA+ to AA, respectively) and Buffon got a higher reduction (AA+ to AA-) in "The Footballers Evaluation" list?
DeleteBecause I'm not as impressive in Buffon peak as Yashin and Zoff so I decide to reduce a bond rating). He is superbly reliable but he is less miracle than the two.
Deletehello.will you upgrade the player perfomance for 2017-2018 season?how will be the score for Robben?
ReplyDeleteWhy Zico has AAA here but AAA- in the "footballers evaluation"?
ReplyDeleteNarathorn congratulations for the page she is great I wonder why the percentage of domestic points of Zoff is greater than that of Buffon since the buffon has more titles and domestic prizes in the transfermarket Buffon has more Clean sheets in the Italian championship but the average of Zoff it's bigger
ReplyDeleteZoff peak is more preferable as he made more spectacular saves. I don't consider titles and team stats into the calculation but only individual performance.
DeleteThe peak performance of Maldini is wrong. He has AA- but Figueroa and Passarella have AA. In the list of higher peaks in defendes, Maldini is above them.
ReplyDeleteOK, I revise peak ranking of Maldini down 2 ranks.
DeleteThanks. I found another error in peak forwards list. You put Moreno at 8th, Rivaldo at 9th and Meazza at 10th. But in "footballers evaluation" Moreno has 89.5, Rivaldo and Meazza 90 and Baggio 90.5 in peak.
DeleteCould you solve that?
OK I've revised. Thanks.
DeleteThanks. But if the peak is equal, why Rivaldo is above Meazza?
DeleteRivaldo proved in higher standard of competition.
DeleteLuis Monti has 79.3 in International Country. Which is the score in International Country if we only consider the matches with Argentina?
ReplyDeleteI am not really focus on separative performance but his score will be definitely deducted in a large portion.
DeletePor que Daniel Alves não está entre os 50 melhores defensores?
ReplyDeleteWhy is Thiago Silva not among the top 50 defenders?
ReplyDeleteDo you have the Int. Country scores of Perfumo,Ruggeri and Ayala? Im part of the "PES 2019 ICMP Patch" (you can search it on google) and we are editing a lot of classic players and teams and a big part of the work is based in your amazing blog!
ReplyDeleteI used to have for Perfumo but I think I have deleted it. For Ruggeri I should have. Let me spend sometimes to find it.
DeleteI think it will be one of funniest games. I will download when I have time. Thanks.
Here, in high perform state, Eusebio has AA+, Zico AAA- and Ronaldo AAA. But in "The Footballers Evaluation Result", all of them have 96 in perform state. Which is correct?
ReplyDeleteOK Perform state in WFHC is calculated from all competitions combined but in PHF, it just consider the level of performance regardless of competition they played.
DeleteHi, could I ask for the entire database with calculations?
ReplyDeleteHi, is there any way I could get the full database?
ReplyDeleteSorry I can't give you as it is an intellectual property.
DeleteWhat sort of bonuses are there aside from the historical bonuses?
ReplyDeleteI see that Aguero does not feature here even though he is in the main hall of fame as a striker. Why is that? Is it because you said that his domestic league performance warranted an inclusion?
ReplyDeleteI mistook in referring wrong database, Now I have revised. Thanks you for notice.
DeleteWhy are some players better than another in het positional hall of fame, but worden than another in top 50 players off all time, for exampel Zizinho is a better advanced midfielder than gullit, but gullit is higher in the top 50 list?
ReplyDeleteThank you for thanking me. It is a pleasure.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think there have been only three players who qualified for the all the time greatest footballers list over the last 10 years or so? Is it because football become more individually average or has the individual level risen so it is more difficult to stand out?
ReplyDeleteWhen football has become more tactical and systematical, players are more more restricted to the strategy and the average ability of players have been gone up but less in top-class group.
DeleteMaybe world class would be a better term than top class, i have heard top class many times in reference to players who are not quite world class. I think Man City are a good example, Kevin De Bruyne is a world class player but this season Man city are performing better with Bernardo Silva who is an international class level player. Also the winger position has become very representative of this trend as there are a lot of international class level wingers but the only world class wingers right now are a salah who is more of a wing-forward, mane,mbappe and arguably sterling and sancho.
DeleteLooking at the performance evaluation Gerd Muller's total score has surpassed Ronaldo's but Ronaldo is still first.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Muller has more points than Ronaldo in the striker list but you placed Ronaldo first because he had less opportunities to shine at the international level?
ReplyDeleteWhy is Neymar's conditional margin between peak performance state and low performance state so low when his peak performance is rated AA and his low performance state is rated as B plus?
ReplyDeleteOK it is a mistake. He will have surpassed Stoichkov for the update.
DeleteC Ronaldo should be above Cruyff,now? (95.3 vs 95.0)
ReplyDeleteHow much do you take into account whoscored ratings?
ReplyDeleteI compare it with dbscalcio rating and other awards to see if the the trend of data is in the same way. However, whoscored is just a support source as I see it evaluate players based on % achievement of each task but not consider how difficult of opponents or any other factors.
DeleteYes, an issue with Whoscored is that it takes into account what a player is doing on the pitch but not what a player is not doing.
ReplyDeleteMay we have a bit more details in the evaluation of etoo ?
ReplyDelete- In international country, he was part of 3 success in UCL
2005-2006: Scored in final, r8, r16
2008-2009: Scored in final, r8, r16
2009-2010: Palying on the side used in a more defensive role, assist in final. Scored in r16
2009-2010: used in a more attacking way he has scored 8 goals and assited 5 times in 10 games
18.4 less than shevchenko 19.7 that didn't contribute that much in his only winning UCL but had a great performance with dynamo
- In domestic football :
During his years in mallorca he was a key player, to reach UCL and Europa league.
He was considered as one of the best attacker of la liga and that's why he was chosen by Barcelona
In barcelona he has been a great striker for several years contributing to a great Barcelona Era.
I think reviewing the mallorca year may improve the rating.
It's just like when lineker or Keegan are playing for inferior team.
- In international country despite he has won 2 CAN he gets less than Drogba.
But sccesses maake a great player
In my opinion he is a greater international club player and a greater player.
Some of his footage :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IvD1eYj4lA Barça
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=407rypv7DZ8 Inter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWCQGAHSaWQ Mallorca where he got a standing ovation vs Real Madrid
Little typo: 2010-2011: used in a more attacking way he has scored 8 goals and assisted 5 times in 10 games
Delete73.3 less than shevchenko 78.9 that didn't contribute that much in his only winning UCL
But if I sum up:
If you are considering that much boca junior for player like riquelme you must also take into account mallorca time for etoo which may improve his domestic rating
For international club there is something weird being an important player of 3 wins in UCL must get more points in my point of view.
I hope you can take time to reply about etoo, and I was not too confused.
DeleteIn my opinion you take too much into account libertadores in your international club ranking for Riquelme because the libertadores he was part is for sure not at the same level it was before. Riquelme has only one UCL where he reaches round of 4. This is really poor. For example how can you consider he was greater than Kaka... just Amazing in UCL during his years in Milan.
ReplyDeleteWell, I give weight of Copa Libertadores in 2000s in less weight than UCL at 0.7 : 1. Anyway Boca Juniors under Riquelme also proved the great performance in intercontinental club. I want to give a chance for the club in less competitive league if they are eventually able to be the world champion, they're deserved a high credit.
DeleteBut intercontinental club, a bit like confederation cup is more or less seen like a friendly competition in my opinion. I mean I am convinced european team are not playing as if it was UCL. They are more thinking to not get any injury because they have the UCL to play or a domestic competition to win.
DeleteI would be interesting to have the performance evaluation of benzema. He probably misses because of international country but we can not say Cantona was much better than him at this level. He is 68 in the 9x100 list of forward. Esepciall the level of playing in domestic ranking and UCL season by season, at least the best ones.
ReplyDeleteEric Cantona has been the most arguable players to be named in top 50. For his individual performance alone is just not enough but he is given historical bonus as one of the most impactful players in history of Man Utd. As a forerunner of Man Utd in its early stage of glory year.
DeleteI think the problem with Cantona's individual performance is that he does not have enough longevity because he retired early and peaked when he got to Manchester United. Bebeto has a lower peak performance state than Cantona but he is ranked above him because he has more longevity in his career at the high level.
DeleteRegarding Benzema i think he is one of those players who suffer from playing in a team full of stars regarding his UCL performance and he has had some of his best domestic seasons in the past few years after La Liga's quality dropped. I think he could qualify in the future but he is likely stil far away. Maybe he is in the reserve list or close to qualifying for it.
ReplyDeleteIn rating, he was at the boundary between international-class and world-class in related two seasons. For my eyes, I think he has never materialized world-class performance. He is neither a prolific scorer or assister or a high technical approach.
DeleteSo Benzema is a player who would need several more qualified seasons or does he need a world class peak performance state to reach the top 50? The likes of Griezmann and Salah might be better candidates than Benzema in the future because i think they have reached a world class peak performance state.
DeleteI have to say i am a bit confused by the conditional margins in the forward list. For example Messi's low performance state is A minus and Pele's low performance state is A and yet Messi has a lower conditional margin even though their high performance state is identical.
ReplyDeleteA- is lower than A in grade. Why do you think Messi should get higher point ?
DeleteI am not saying that Messi should get an higher point. As you said A minus is lower than A and i thought the conditional margin reflected the margin between high and low performance state so i thought that Messi should have an higher conditional margin because his low performance is lower if it makes sense.
DeleteI read that the conditional margin is made up of the high performance state, low performance state and of the ability or skill rating and his purpose is to reduce variance but i am confused even after reading it again about how it is calculated and about its use. Is a lower conditional margin more advantageous for the purposes of the ranking or is it the opposite? I used to think the former was the case but maybe i got it all wrong. Thank you again for your work.
DeleteI have noticed that Lenstra is ranked above Martino in the performance scorecard but in the forward list Martino is above Lenstra.
ReplyDeleteHow far was Owen from making the top 50 since he is first in the reserve list for strikers?
ReplyDeleteDo certain positions require an higher cumulative performance to make the top 50 or the minor hall of fame? It would seem to me that certain roles like forward are more competitive than others.
ReplyDeleteDefensive and offensive midfielder also seem to be more competitive.
ReplyDeleteDoes B represent international class or national class? In the rating methodology B is described as anomalous performance.
ReplyDeleteI am curious about Owen's peak performance since he won the Ballon D'or. Was it that impressive or did the cup treble sway the voters?
ReplyDeleteI think you are underrating De Bruyne and overrating Modric, especially in domestic leagues. The contribution of Modric to attacking scheme of Real Madrid is very very poor. His best ability is to control the tempo of the match as well as defensive actions (pressing + interceptions + tackles). Meanwhile Kevin is good at passing + creating chances also has a decent contribution in Pep’s pressing system and they both play in the same position in 4-3-3 system. Maybe the poor tactics of Zidane or the team quality prevents Modric from doing his things but anyway stats still convince me that Kevin has much better domestic performance and Modric is just the same with Kroos, nothing more.
ReplyDeleteI think you are underrating Modric's contribution there and his ability to progress the ball and direct the game, the latter of which does not necessarily traslate in stats. Also De Bruyne does not have enough longevity domestically as he is often injured and City have not missed a beat in the league during their last title wins in 2019 and 2021 when De Bruyne was injured. De Bruyne is also a high risk high reward passer with a relatively underwhelming passing percentage, which is a potential liability defensively, while Modric has a nice amount of stamina especially for his age. You sound somewhat bitter for Modric's Ballon D'or's win which was arguably underserved but the voters were sick of Messi and Ronaldo had rape allegations in the mind of the voters. Also some of the individual awards that De Bruyne won in the past two years could be argued to be equally underserved and related to De Bruyne's profile as the EPL and City's best player. De Bruyne has the potential to surpass Modric but i think you are overrating his contribution. De Bruyne has a decent contribution in Guardiola's pressing system but some of his defensive stats as shown on FBref are not stellar and i believe that it is also because of De Bruyne's limitations in that regard and not only because of City lacking a pure nine that De Bruyne has been used as a false nine by Guardiola recently. I am not at all a fan of Kevin De Bruyne and i like Modric much more but it has to be said that while he is an unbelievable player some of the less positive aspects of his game are downplayed by the media.
ReplyDeleteDe Bruyne's passing and defensive stats are not so underwhelming if he is regarded as an an attacking midfielder and not as a central midfielder but you are comparing him to Modric who is as a central midfielder. Also you can not compare Modric's level to Kroos's. Their performances for the national team tell a different story. Germany was dragged down in recent years by Loew's poor coaching so there is no particular blame on Kroos but Germany have far more individual quality than Croatia even though they still had the likes of Mandzukic and Rakitic at the 2018 world cup. Kroos also plays in a more offensive role than Modric and is more frequently benched for Real Madrid.
ReplyDeleteI am a bit puzzled by how players that here have similar scores and are ranked in the same class are ranked in different classes when they are placed in their national teams' international legendary museum.
ReplyDeleteHow is that Del Piero has a lower class for his national team than Cantona and Hazard has a lower rating Giggs for example?
Someone like Bruno Conti has a far greater contribution to his national team than David Beckham and is convincingly the greater player but when it comes to Del Piero versus Cantona and Giggs versus Hazard i do not get it.
I would like to praise you for your extraordinary work.
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