tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post4221533496251931490..comments2024-03-27T06:20:58.015-07:00Comments on Positional Hall of Fame: The Player Performance Evaluation Naratorn Wirunhchatapanthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18360396750519644280noreply@blogger.comBlogger234125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-7531225579468182122023-08-16T02:15:08.473-07:002023-08-16T02:15:08.473-07:00I think Benzema deserves more in terms of club ach...I think Benzema deserves more in terms of club achievements (Domestic leagues and especially Champions League). In terms of total score, I would tank him on par with Raul or TostaoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-27659623867276576052023-08-09T04:19:15.526-07:002023-08-09T04:19:15.526-07:00i don't know why goalkeepers got so high skill...i don't know why goalkeepers got so high skill point while there strengthes basically are reflection and body size to dominate the air, meanwhile other positions in the upper field require game sense, experience, stamina, speed and skills, those are much harder to combine since they have to run 10km each match. Only advanced goalkeepers like Neuer can contribute largly to the team tactics, meanwhile underrated goalkeepers like Emiliano Martinez, Keylor Navas, Yan Sommer, Steve Mandanda, Szczesny... they only need to do good their job and they can save the entire match or even the tournament, no requirements for advanced skills like passing, defending outside the box or leadership ability. Moreover, they rarely suffer from injury prone like other positions, which is a benefit for their career span.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-91128663349150334802023-08-02T04:02:39.295-07:002023-08-02T04:02:39.295-07:00I think that Neymar & Suarez scores (84 and 77...I think that Neymar & Suarez scores (84 and 77.2) in Champions League are top high. Especially compared to Benzema ( only 78) who scored 90 goals. Has Lewandowski score been updated ? Because, he probably has the edge on both Kocsis and Seeler, nowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-69119815937438569992023-07-22T23:56:12.067-07:002023-07-22T23:56:12.067-07:00But Aguero despite his important goal has been inj...But Aguero despite his important goal has been injured and then not so much decisive and disappointing in my opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-66903036944167852762023-07-22T23:52:16.405-07:002023-07-22T23:52:16.405-07:00No update after last season ?No update after last season ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-79457907390756214672023-06-18T10:00:21.987-07:002023-06-18T10:00:21.987-07:00i don't understand how you evaluate domestic s...i don't understand how you evaluate domestic score of a player but i found that strikers who played in the same era in serie a like batigol, vieri, shevchenko, totti have significant high domestic score, even higher than messi and cr7, despite not having a long span career and average scoring stats like Raul for example. is it because you think they had to face the best defenders in the world in seria a or the quality of the seria a was higher than other competitions, even champions league?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-60204340556371099182023-06-11T01:36:03.767-07:002023-06-11T01:36:03.767-07:00Messi & Pele scores should be updated, accordi...Messi & Pele scores should be updated, according to the scores you computed in the XtraHistory blog : <br /><br />Messi: Domestic 96.7 , NT 85.2<br />Pele : IC 86.5, NT 87Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-69548802791836927682023-03-23T14:17:58.143-07:002023-03-23T14:17:58.143-07:00Tend to agree. Even Lewandowski should have a bett...Tend to agree. Even Lewandowski should have a better domestic score. Even his Continental Club score is a bit too high for a player who has scored less than 20 goals in Champions League. Pretty sure it would be controversial, but Ronaldo Lima's career is too much judged on accomplishments he COULD have made without injuries. <br />Don't get me wrong, I love the player and he s of course of of the best players I have seen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-88280984695245270552023-03-08T11:08:19.535-08:002023-03-08T11:08:19.535-08:00also how can salah domestic score is much higher t...also how can salah domestic score is much higher than veterans like Aguero Muller Benzema etc. For example Salah has only been incredible for like 7 seasons while Aguero has been consistency from 07/08 to 19/20. Also Salah only has 5 domestic cups compared to Muller with 25 domestic cups. Sure you can say Bayern or Man City squad are superior to Liverpool squad but both Muller and Aguero have to be something to have a chance to stay in that squad for that long since the very young age, while Salah struggling to prove himself until he turned 25.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-47704876134407696442023-03-08T10:51:45.042-08:002023-03-08T10:51:45.042-08:00why Aguero international country score is so high ...why Aguero international country score is so high considering his contribution for the team (goal + assist/match), contribution on the team playstyle and most important, his achievement -> nothing. he's sometimes not even a first choice on the attacking lineup.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-77621436736713869912023-02-11T04:27:08.460-08:002023-02-11T04:27:08.460-08:00I think he has a case for being in the top 50 for...I think he has a case for being in the top 50 forwards but ligue one is regarded as being a lower level competition and he is still youngAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-40204819894930429722023-01-31T18:17:55.774-08:002023-01-31T18:17:55.774-08:00Ronaldo de Lima domestic score is overrated consid...Ronaldo de Lima domestic score is overrated considering the amount of games he played compared to Gerd Muller or CR7, who are much more consistent and break many records.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-71401386839816528642023-01-25T02:08:13.896-08:002023-01-25T02:08:13.896-08:00I think the scorecards should be updated as some i...I think the scorecards should be updated as some international countries scores have changed in the Xtrahistory blog (Pele, Maradona, Messi, Cruyff, Platini, Ronaldo, G.Muller etc...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-84267729698214027922023-01-23T14:59:19.918-08:002023-01-23T14:59:19.918-08:00In my opinion, Bale international country's s...In my opinion, Bale international country's score is too low (a score between 72 and 75 seems fair to me). He was instrumental for them and thanks to him, they managed to play 2 Euros and 1 WC which is a great achievement for this country. What do you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-82174085319948892082023-01-23T09:12:04.803-08:002023-01-23T09:12:04.803-08:00no way Gareth Bale domestic score is higher than L...no way Gareth Bale domestic score is higher than Luis Suarez, both can carry the team but Bale spent most of his time in the hospital.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-80971623629915976632023-01-03T09:34:18.396-08:002023-01-03T09:34:18.396-08:00Tre volte che cambi quella degli attaccanti in poc...Tre volte che cambi quella degli attaccanti in pochi giorni...Manè Garrinchahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13084419812100400128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-67604346694697445222023-01-03T00:35:29.004-08:002023-01-03T00:35:29.004-08:00From my humble understanding of the rating, you ha...From my humble understanding of the rating, you have two main aspects to credit a player :<br />- The individual performance of the player<br />- The standard level of competition<br /><br />As Maradona is playing Phenomenal and during this period Argentinian League and even more Calcio standard level is greater than today it gives this kind of rating. <br /><br />Trophies are mitigated with the way of rating on the site even if sometimes it's hard to understand but opened to discussion with the author.<br />For me for example, I (and I guess a lot of people) can't admit how Messi is rated OW and not SW for his global performance in WC 2022.<br />I hope one day the author will change his mind on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-58800150241269668362023-01-02T05:58:17.483-08:002023-01-02T05:58:17.483-08:00Thanks a lot for your reply. I wasn't expected...Thanks a lot for your reply. I wasn't expected a so fast reply. For Ramos, at the beginning, I felt like you for his defending skills, but with the years, I feel he has become more and more consistent and complete. Especially, in big UCL games where he looks to me to have been reliant and a strong contributor to the trophies. For Eto'o he was, for me, key in 3 UCL which, today, is at club level the greatest standard. It counts a lot in people minds. Cannavaro has been chosen but it's also a matter of mindset with the voters, no defender had been praised for a long time and it was an opportunity after his great performance.<br />About the defending skills of player like D.Alves, R.Carlos... I am not sure it's fair to count as much defending attributes to define their greatness than for players like Bergomi, Gentile... I would count more their offensive skills... but I admit, it would complexify your model. This is a bit what you are doing for central-midfielder where it looks destroyer limited in technique get less greatness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-72411413661236396502023-01-02T00:46:29.133-08:002023-01-02T00:46:29.133-08:00Your comments could be the summary of what many pe...Your comments could be the summary of what many people has asked the same questions. I always open to reconsider. Anyway, I will reply based on current rating. <br />- Weah in his peak is spectacular and out of planet. To have won FIFA World player of the year during the mid-90s that is more competitive than mid-2000s is in the higher level that Eto'o never reached. <br />- Riquelme is difficult to rate in his superb performance in South America. However, Riquelme ability is also higher class than Pirlo and when he played for his team, he has a higher influence than Pirlo. At media rating, Pirlo achieved world-class seasons just around 1.5 seasons. Although he was the main player who carried Italy to win the title, it was Cannavaro to win Word Cup silver ball and world player of the year although being a defender. This indicates Pirlo is too limited in technical abilities. <br />Batistuta scored a ton of magnificent goals and number of goals is considered extremely high if account standard of Italian Series A in the 1990s. When he scored 56 goals for Argentina in only 78 games, he was very extraordinary. <br /><br />I have kept the comments that Ramos, Puyol and D.Alves is underrated in my list but I think these 3 players are overrated for their trophy achievements. Their defensive skill is not competitive to many in previous eras. <br />- Naratorn Wirunhchatapanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360396750519644280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-28692451065616161962023-01-01T11:40:18.185-08:002023-01-01T11:40:18.185-08:00I have discovered and crossed your three site the ...I have discovered and crossed your three site the last weeks. Congratulations for this hard work and thank you a lot for sharing it.<br />I agree most of the time except for a few player :<br />- strong disagree: Ramos and Eto'o are for me greater player than ranked in the site. I don't see why Weah would be a greater player than Eto'o for example or Hierro for Ramos.<br />Riquelme, as elegant player he can be, looks to me overrated, he was mainly successfully in south America were post Bosman Law competition standard has been decreasing again and again. Even if I don't forget his great Villarreal time.<br />- small disagree : Pirlo is seen as an offensive midfielder which makes him to be compared to greater players than if he were in central-midfielder list. I was really surprised a player like Riquelme could be ranked above him.<br />D.Alves has been a great addition but he may deserve more.<br />I am not sure I would rank so high players that were not successful in Europe like Francescoli or in big clubs like Hagi even if for hagi his Romanian performance justify a ranking.<br />I find a few player a little overrated like Batistuta or Redondo.<br />Benzema was a great addition to the list even if I think he may deserve a better ranking after his last years. Same for Puyol. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-71528086916951021512022-12-31T14:12:09.331-08:002022-12-31T14:12:09.331-08:00It seems the author doesn't consider ligue 1 a...It seems the author doesn't consider ligue 1 as a major domestic league but a league with low standard of competition. And this thing as a huge I understand now with the rating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-54082484379820120932022-12-28T07:58:40.763-08:002022-12-28T07:58:40.763-08:00Do you think Mbappe is worthy of a top 50 centre f...Do you think Mbappe is worthy of a top 50 centre forward of all time. I believe so. He won the Ligue 1 with Monaco against a dominant PSG team that win practically almost every year, he was the best player in that France team that won the WC in 2018 and was the golden boot winner in 2022 leading France to back to back WC finals. The only downside is his success in the champions league which he was able to make the 2020 final with PSG a team with so much talent but cannot deliver when it counts (unlike Real Madrid or Bayern Munich so to speak). Also I think Haaland can break into the top 50 strikers by the end of the 2022-2023 season.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-16621245354933189282022-09-08T06:11:47.445-07:002022-09-08T06:11:47.445-07:00I think Benzema is a player who is underrated on...I think Benzema is a player who is underrated on this. He had already an impressive record before 2018.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-19755131794428157282022-08-29T22:00:44.349-07:002022-08-29T22:00:44.349-07:00Xavi, Has more trophies than Bozsik Rijkard Mattha...Xavi, Has more trophies than Bozsik Rijkard Matthaeus and didi combined. I'm kidding. But is very close. Xavi should be first in this list. He has more League Trophies than any of them more cups and more international club trophies and more inte country trophies. And they do not come even close. Bozsik has 5 leagues none inte club trophie none inter country trophie. Rikard has 7 and 3 champions Leagues and one euro. Matthaeus has 8 like xavi with no champions League and no euros. He is a sensation to watch and he change how the position is being played like Bozsik in his time. He has more assists than any of them and second at goals while being a deep lying orchestrator like bozsik. Strength wasn't a part of his game but he didn't need it after all. He is the reason of a completely new generation of footballers who are playing the game like him. Verrati pedri de jong foden kdb to name a few. All that I'm saying is that his accolades are better and probably his legacy too. This is my point of view anyway. Best regards<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467953767525001635.post-37272368097666496612022-08-29T21:27:38.091-07:002022-08-29T21:27:38.091-07:00I've never actually noticed your rate in Marad...I've never actually noticed your rate in Maradona's domestic score. 96? With 2 seria A titles? And one Argentinian league? 96? I understand the arguments that is very difficult to win the league with napoli but kante's Lester also a very very hard premier league and I don't believe that his score is 96. Btw how do you calculate the players with no inter club appearances like zizinho? I guess it has to be a serious penalty. You have di stefano with 8 spanish championships and 3 Columbian championships and 2 Argentinian championship at 92? Cruyff's score at 91? And Maradona's domestic score 96? Better club domestic career than di stefano or Cruyff or Beckenbauer or cr7 or xavi or Maldini (in my opinion there are at least 25 players minimum with better score in that category) No, that's not true. Totti has one seria A with Roma. I guess that he should be in the 90s score too. Sergio Ramos has 5 champions League titles as a captain and he has the same score at inte club with Maradona who has none? That's not right. I'm not saying that maradona shouldn't be number one in this list or number 3 in the other list at football historic center. I'm just saying if you want him up there you should find another way to boost his stats for example put his inte country at 99 or something but to say that his club career is better than those guys I think it's an exaggeration. My best regards!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com